Resolved: Problem: "Drag and drop" not work

[bensonr]

After opening a rar file with WinRAR by double-clicking the search result in Everything, then drag and drop a file into the WinRAR window, nothing happens. However, if I open that rar file in Windows Explorer then drag and drop, WinRAR shows a dialog box to ask for adding file to that rar file.

There is the same problem with txt file and notepad.

Environment:
Windows 10 1709 64bit
Everything 1.4.1.809b 64bit

[NotNull]

You are probably running Everthing "as an administrator"
See if these steps help:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6664#p20790

[therube]

More generally, one of your programs is being run As Administrator, & the other is not.

(Safer if they are [both] not.)

[bensonr]

Thanks a lot!

Problem resolved by disabling "Run as administrator" and enabling "Everything Service".

[NotNull]

You're welcome!
And thanks for the feedback! :Thumbs Up:

[Everything Void]

Hi there,

I've got the same 'Drag and Drop' problem but with another software called 'Mp3DirectCut'.
At first the solution, --disabling "Run as administrator" and enabling "Everything Service"-- and then restarting my PC, solved it.
But after a few hours of abandoning 'Mp3DirectCut' (Eating watching Youtube Video's, etc.) and then picking up my work, the problem emerged again.
Also I have to mention that I have multiple instances running of the 'Everything Search' (2).
The problem arises only with the 'original (1) engine.
The problem doesn't occur with the external HDD(2).
Is there a solution?


Windows 10 Pro
Version 20H2
OS Build 19042.985
64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

[therube]

No issues that I am seeing.
Ensure that the two programs are running at the same integrity level.

If mp3DirectCut is running "as Admin" & Everything is not, it won't work.
If Everything is running "as Admin" & mp3DirectCut is not, it won't work.

If both are running "as Admin", it will work.
If both are running as a normal user, it will work.


Process Explorer or Process Hacker will both show Integrity Levels (not enabled by default).

[Everything Void]

Hi there,

Thank you for your response.
Sorry for my late reaction but I didn't get an email message about your reaction.
I don't want to sound rude but I'm not a total moron concerning software.
Though I'm not a programmer I checked these things before posting.
No two programs are running at the same integrity level.
If I use 'Everything Search' from my External HDD the drag and drop works flawlessly.
However the 'Everything Search' from my Internal HDD refuses to drag and drop onto the same program (Mp3DirectCut).
I even copied the External HDD software to my Internal HDD but to no avail.
Anybody?

[NotNull]

Anybody?

With a username like yours, we should ask *you*

I am pretty certain that @therube doesn't think you are a "total moron", but as you didn't tell what you already checked and tested, nothing is certain and needs to be checked. This would be my first suggestion too.


The thing I would look at is the bitness of both Everythings (you didn't specify the version at all, btw).
Some programs have issues with 32- vs 64-bit drag 'n drop. Maybe mp3DirectCut is one of them.

[void]

Can you drag-drop a txt file from your internal volume in Everything to Notepad?
-This will help determine if the issue is with Everything or mp3DirectCut.

[Everything Void]

Can you drag-drop a txt file from your internal volume in Everything to Notepad?
-This will help determine if the issue is with Everything or mp3DirectCut.

Thank you. Very good advice I did that but with 'PSPad Editor' the same problem occured.

[Everything Void]

With a username like yours, we should ask *you*

I plead guilty!

I am pretty certain that @therube doesn't think you are a "total moron", but as you didn't tell what you already checked and tested, nothing is certain and needs to be checked. This would be my first suggestion too.

If you and he would take the time to read my opening post you would be surprised to find I DID tell no two programs are running at the same integrity level.
But no hard feelings of course.

(you didn't specify the version at all, btw).

You're right...
Everything Version 1.4.1.895 (x64)

The thing I would look at is the bitness of both Everythings

"Everything 1" so to say is a 'fork' of "Everything 2" so that they are the same regarding this.

Some programs have issues with 32- vs 64-bit drag 'n drop. Maybe mp3DirectCut is one of them.

The problem is not 'Mp3DirectCut' because I followed the advice of forum user 'void'.
The same issue occurs with 'PSPad editor'.

[Everything Void]

Can you drag-drop a txt file from your internal volume in Everything to Notepad?
-This will help determine if the issue is with Everything or mp3DirectCut.

Thank you. Very good advice I did that but with 'PSPad Editor' the same problem occured.

[NotNull]

If you and he would take the time to read my opening post you would be surprised to find I DID tell no two programs are running at the same integrity level.
But no hard feelings of course.

That is not entirely true. You mention that for the first time in your reply to @therube. This is your opening post that @therube responded to:

I've got the same 'Drag and Drop' problem but with another software called 'Mp3DirectCut'.
At first the solution, --disabling "Run as administrator" and enabling "Everything Service"-- and then restarting my PC, solved it.
But after a few hours of abandoning 'Mp3DirectCut' (Eating watching Youtube Video's, etc.) and then picking up my work, the problem emerged again.
Also I have to mention that I have multiple instances running of the 'Everything Search' (2).
The problem arises only with the 'original (1) engine.
The problem doesn't occur with the external HDD(2).
Is there a solution?

But no hard feelings of course. (sorry; couldn't resist )

DID tell no two programs are running at the same integrity level.

I assume you mean that they *are* actually running at the same integrity level? ( = Both are running under the same user account and both have the same elevation level. So at least one of your Everythings is started with everything.exe -instance .... to keep them apart).



That out of the way .. that still doesn't fix your issue.

The thing that puzzles me the most is that it did work initially with Everything 1 (the 'original') and after some time it stopped working (with Everything 1).
The only explanation I can come up with at this moment, is that the disk (on which the file/folder resides that you want to drag to Mp3DirectCut) went in stand-by mode.
I don't actually think that is the case here, as you did more experiments and those would have woken your disk already.

So, long story short: I am out of ideas for now ...

[void]

I have tested Mp3DirectCut 2.32 and Everything 1.4.1.895 (x64) on Windows 10 1903 18362.295:

Drag-dropping from Everything to MP3DirectCut:

• Works when running MP3DirectCut as a standard user and Everything as a standard user.
• Works when running MP3DirectCut as a standard user and Everything as an administrator.
• Does not work when running MP3DirectCut as an administrator and Everything as a standard user.
• Works when running MP3DirectCut as an administrator and Everything as an administrator.

Please ensure MP3DirectCut is running as a standard user and not as an administrator.

Please make sure drag drop is enabled in Everything:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /allow_drag_drop=1
• If successful, you should see allow_drag_drop=1 in the status bar for a few seconds.

[therube]

The only other thing I was thinking of is that...
Well, guess I should ask is if can't d&d any files, or only certain files?
If only certain, then it might be a permissions issue with the particular file, that while you can see it (in Everything), you can't "edit" it - because it belongs to another user?

[Everything Void]

The only other thing I was thinking of is that...
Well, guess I should ask is if can't d&d any files, or only certain files?
If only certain, then it might be a permissions issue with the particular file, that while you can see it (in Everything), you can't "edit" it - because it belongs to another user?

Can't d&d any files, it's puzzling....

[Everything Void]

But no hard feelings of course. (sorry; couldn't resist )

It's ok.....
"A horse is a horse of course".....

So, long story short: I am out of ideas for now ...

Thanks for trying

[void]

Another issue might be with a file that no longer exists and Everything has not updated.

Please try forcing a rebuild from Tools -> Options -> Indexes -> Force Rebuild.



Does the drag start in Everything? -Is there a 'drag image' of the file on the cursor?

[Everything Void]

I have tested Mp3DirectCut 2.32 and Everything 1.4.1.895 (x64) on Windows 10 1903 18362.295:

Drag-dropping from Everything to MP3DirectCut:

• Works when running MP3DirectCut as a standard user and Everything as a standard user.
• Works when running MP3DirectCut as a standard user and Everything as an administrator.
• Does not work when running MP3DirectCut as an administrator and Everything as a standard user.
• Works when running MP3DirectCut as an administrator and Everything as an administrator.

Please ensure MP3DirectCut is running as a standard user and not as an administrator.

Thanks for your extensive reaction, but I've did all that.
Have you tested with multiple Everything's on one computer? (2)
External and internal HDD?

Please make sure drag drop is enabled in Everything:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /allow_drag_drop=1
• If successful, you should see allow_drag_drop=1 in the status bar for a few seconds.

It was succesful but it didn't solve the problem...

[Everything Void]

Another issue might be with a file that no longer exists and Everything has not updated.

Please try forcing a rebuild from Tools -> Options -> Indexes -> Force Rebuild.

Didn't help....

Does the drag start in Everything? -Is there a 'drag image' of the file on the cursor?

I don't get what you mean to be fair.

[void]

Have you tested with multiple Everything's on one computer? (2)

I have just tested running multiple instances at the same time without issue.

External and internal HDD?

I had only tested internal, I also just tested an external drive without issue.

Is there anything special about your C: drive that you can think of? is it encrypted? compressed?

Does the drag start in Everything? -Is there a 'drag image' of the file on the cursor?

I don't get what you mean to be fair.

Do you see a drag image when you start a drag-drop operation in Everything:




-Everything might be having trouble with the path of the mp3 file.
If you place an mp3 directly in the root of the C: drive, does drag drop this file work in Everything?

Does opening the path of the mp3 file from Everything (Ctrl + Enter) and dragging the mp3 file from Explorer work?

[Everything Void]

Does the drag start in Everything? -Is there a 'drag image' of the file on the cursor?

Ah..., I get what you tried to tell me. No, in the "first" Everything (the 'faulty' Everything so to say) there is no 'drag' image of the file on the cursor.
The 'fork' "second" instance of Everything there is indeed a 'drag image' of the file on the cursor.
Maybe the problem is the multiple instances thingy?

[void]

If no 'drag image' is shown this means the drag operation failed to start.

The debug output may tell us something:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /debug
• ---this will show the debug console---
• Try drag-dropping a mp3 file from Everything to Mp3DirectCut.
• What is shown in the debug console? (How to copy all debug text)

To close the debug console:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /debug

Can you please describe your 'Everything instances' setup? (eg: instance 1: index c: and d: drive ; instance 2: index E: drive)
I will do more testing here with the same setup.
Please confirm you are using Multiple instances and both instances are running as a standard user.
What Everything version are you using for both instances?

[Everything Void]

Have you tested with multiple Everything's on one computer? (2)

I have just tested running multiple instances at the same time without issue.

External and internal HDD?

I had only tested internal, I also just tested an external drive without issue.

Is there anything special about your C: drive that you can think of? is it encrypted? compressed?

No, nothing special that I can think of.
What boggles my mind is that only 1 of the instances does have the problem.
Moreover the 'main' instance.

-Everything might be having trouble with the path of the mp3 file.
If you place an mp3 directly in the root of the C: drive, does drag drop this file work in Everything?

Didn't help...

Does opening the path of the mp3 file from Everything (Ctrl + Enter) and draging the mp3 file from Explorer work?

Nope...

[Everything Void]

If no 'drag image' is shown this means the drag operation failed to start.

The debug output may tell us something:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /debug
• ---this will show the debug console---
• Try drag-dropping a mp3 file from Everything to Mp3DirectCut.
• What is shown in the debug console? (How to copy all debug text)

To close the debug console:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /debug

Everything
Version 1.4.1.895 (x64)
Windows NT 6.2
Processors 4
IsAdmin 1
AppData 1
Service 1
cmdline "C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.exe" -startup
...
exec: shellexecute (idlist) file:C:\Users\...\mp3DC232\mp3DirectCut.exe param:
...

Can you please describe your 'Everything instances' setup? (eg: instance 1: index c: and d: drive ; instance 2: index E: drive)
I will do more testing here with the same setup.
Please confirm you are using Multiple instances and both instances are running as a standard user.
What Everything version are you using for both instances?

This is what I did to get 2 instances to work.

Thank you for your feedback.

Could I have two simultaneous instances simply by running both an installed version and a portable version?

No, normally, only one instance can exist at a time.

Please try the following:

• Right click your Desktop and click New -> Shortcut.
• Click Browse....
• Navigate to: C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.exe and Click OK.
• In "Type the location of the item", add the following to the end:
  "C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.exe" -instance "New instance"
  where "New instance" can be anything you like..
  
• Click Next.
• Give the shortcut a name, it can be anything you like, eg:
  Everything (New instance)
• Click Finish.

Please run this new shortcut.
In this new Everything instance, please setup your indexed files from Tools -> Options -> Indexes.
Please copy this desktop shortcut to anywhere convenient for you.

You can access all running instances of Everything from the system tray.
Hover over a Everything icon to determine the instance name.

If you would like to start this new instance on system startup:

• In Windows Explorer, type in the following address and press ENTER:
  shell:startup
• Right-click drag and drop your new Everything shortcut from the Desktop into this shell:startup folder and click Copy here.

If you need more detail, could you please give a reason for the new instance.

Multiple Instances

Please confirm you are using Multiple instances and both instances are running as a standard user.
What Everything version are you using for both instances?

Both instances are running as a standard user (not as an administrator).
Version 1.4.1.895 (x64) for both instances.....

[void]

Does opening the path of the mp3 file from Everything (Ctrl + Enter) and draging the mp3 file from Explorer work?

Nope...

If you launch Explorer from the taskbar/startmenu, navigate to a mp3 file, can you drag drop the mp3 file from Explorer to Mp3DirectCut?
-Everything might be privilege limited. Opening Windows Explorer from Everything (Ctrl + ENTER) would inherit these privilege limitations.

IsAdmin 1
exec: shellexecute (idlist) file:C:\Users\...\mp3DirectCut.exe param:

Thank you for the debug logs.
The logs show Everything is running as an admin.
and shows Mp3DirectCut being opened from Everything.

This means Mp3DirectCut will also run as an admin.

I didn't see any drag-drop operation.
There should be a line: 'create shell object.' in the debug log to indicate Everything starting a drag-drop operation.

Please try running Everything as a standard user:

• In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
• Click the General tab on the left.
• Check Everything service.
• Uncheck Run as administrator.
• Click OK.
• Exit Everything (right click the Everything tray icon and click Exit).
• Restart Everything.

And to run Everything as a standard user:

• Right click your Everything.exe or a shortcut to Everything
• Click Properties.
• Click the Compatibility tab.
• Uncheck Run this program as an administrator.
• Click OK.

And also to run Everything as a standard user:

• Right click your shortcut to Everything
• Click Properties.
• Click the Shortcut tab.
• Click the Advanced button.
• Uncheck Run as administrator.
• Click OK.
• Click OK.

Please restart Everything and Mp3DirectCut after making any changes.

For drag-drop to work correctly, the debug output will need to show:
IsAdmin 0

[Everything Void]

Maybe this screenshot of my install directory is of any help?

[Everything Void]

Does opening the path of the mp3 file from Everything (Ctrl + Enter) and draging the mp3 file from Explorer work?

Nope...

If you launch Explorer from the taskbar/startmenu, navigate to a mp3 file, can you drag drop the mp3 file from Explorer to Mp3DirectCut?

The only thing that doesn't work is if I open Mp3DirectCut via Everything (the main Everything).

Thank you for the debug logs.
The logs show Everything is running as an admin.

But that's impossible! I've unchecked 'Run as Administrator'in both instances of 'Everyting' no matter what the debug log says.

[void]

Maybe this screenshot of my install directory is of any help?

There's an Everything.db in this folder.
It looks like "Store settings and data in %APPDATA%\Everything" was disabled at some stage.

Please ensure Everything is installed correctly (for both instances):

• In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
• Click the General tab on the left.
• Check Store settings and data in %APPDATA%\Everything
• Click OK.

Please check the compatibility settings for Everything.exe:

To run Everything as a standard user:

• Right click your Everything.exe or a shortcut to Everything
• Click Properties.
• Click the Compatibility tab.
• Uncheck Run this program as an administrator.
• Click OK.

To run Everything as a standard user:

• Right click your shortcut to Everything
• Click Properties.
• Click the Shortcut tab.
• Click the Advanced button.
• Uncheck Run as administrator.
• Click OK.
• Click OK.

Please restart Everything and Mp3DirectCut after making any changes.

Does Everything continue to report IsAdmin 0 in the debug output?

To toggle the debug output:

• In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
  /debug

The IsAdmin value is shown at the top of the debug console.

[Everything Void]

Excellent!!
Many thanks for your help!!
You DID solve the problem.
My sincere apologies!
The problem was indeed the shortcut of the main instance.

You told me to:

And also to run Everything as a standard user:

• Right click your shortcut to Everything
• Click Properties.
• Click the Shortcut tab.
• Click the Advanced button.
• Uncheck Run as administrator.
• Click OK.
• Click OK.

Please restart Everything and Mp3DirectCut after making any changes.

I've did that and forgot to restart Everything but after I did that the problem is solved.
I admire your patience and perseverance......
Awesome help!
Thanks!

[void]

I am glad to hear Everything is working now!

Now the question is how did Everything -> Properties- > Shortcut -> Advanced -> Run as administrator get checked..

[Everything Void]

I am glad to hear Everything is working now!

Now the question is how did Everything -> Properties- > Shortcut -> Advanced -> Run as administrator get checked..

I've got no clue whatsoever...

[Everything Void]

Now for some unidentified reason the tray bar icon has changed to its original color (the second instance).
No matter what I do the stubborn icon refuses to acknowledge my superiority and will not change back.
Unbearable!
Strangely enough the shortcut icon in the program files Folder, where I keep it, acts perfectly normal.
I've created a beautiful green icon but on the tray bar the icon switched suddenly back to orange.
Before the 'Administrator' issue it worked perfectly.
Is there possibly a correlation?

[void]

Please place your Everything.ico in %APPDATA%\Everything

If you are using an instance name, please name your Everything.ico as:
Everything-<instance name>.ico

For example:
Everything-Toshiba.ico

Customizing the Everything Icon

[Everything Void]

Please place your Everything.ico in %APPDATA%\Everything

If you are using an instance name, please name your Everything.ico as:
Everything-<instance name>.ico

For example:
Everything-Toshiba.ico

Customizing the Everything Icon

There is %APPDATA%\Local\Everything and %APPDATA%\Roaming\Everything.
I've put the Everything.ico in both Folders and that did the trick!
Thanks again!
If you are the creator of this excellent software, kudos!
I use this search engine for years now and it is by far the best.....