Folder-monitoring only db lack stat page

[Herkules97]

I wrote this whole thing and then re-wrote it and such, but I decided to check every active NTFS db and they all have a stat page filled.
2 out of 4 folder-only lack a stat page.

I don't get why some do and some don't.
I suppose I can send the original writing in a reply if there isn't a known reason why this may be and it is the solution for me too.

[NotNull]

So, if I understand correctly ...

- The stats you are referring to are accessible through Menu => Tools => Debug => Statistics
- Here are 2 NTFS Index entries shown (one per drive/volume)
- There are 4 NTFS volumes shown under NTFS options ( Menu => Tools => Options => Indexes => NTFS )


If so:
- Go to Menu => Tools => Options => Indexes => NTFS
- Select the first volume in the Local NTFS Volumes list
- Check if Include in database is enabled
- Select next volume in the Local NTFS Volumes list
- Check if Include in database is enabled
- Repeat for remaining 2 listed volumes/drives.

Are all 4 volumes included in the database?

[void]

Please check if the folders are excluded under Tools -> Options -> Exclude.

[Herkules97]

I may have completely forgotten to check this..
But no, each db is separate.
I have 4 folder-only dbs, as in the dbs only monitor when they are on.
2 of those have a stat page as you'd expect, but 2 do not. Those 2's page are completely blank.

Out of the two blank ones, one of them has no exclusions active while the other has maybe 50.
So I presume it's not that.

I was hoping you had come across this and knew of a simple repair mechanic, as restarting the dbs did nothing, removing the db and letting it rescan.

To clarify, by db I mean one separate instance. I have one for each device and then a few folder-only ones that monitor across devices. Like one is for video games to monitor changes or additions to files in the game folders and appdata for their save folders as most go into appdata rather than the game folder you start the game in.

Because I extract/install games on a separate device so if game reading/writing breaks the device, it's not a loss as it's just files I can re-extract/install again, I made a db that works across devices so I can search for all related things for a particular game. There are 3 others that operate like this, because folder-only doesn't cause re-scans it works well across devices where one device may have re-scanned because something went wrong. I don't want to lose index journal, so while they are limited in what they monitor I at least don't lose index journal entries if the NTFS-only db version of whichever device failed re-scans and undoes the index journal.
Maybe when, or if, index journal isn't reset on re-scans will I try NTFS across devices..But then exclusions, big enough, cause a lot of RAM on filename sorting..Or maybe I am thinking of when there are a lot of files and exclusions do not cause significant increase in RAM during sorting stage, either way I don't wan random re-sortings. It can cause max memory and break something without me being aware. So folder-only would still be safer.

I can also point out this isn't a necessary fix, I don't actually use the stat page..But it's still a bug, I presume. If I have it, maybe others do too..Not that any of us have any use for the stat page. I've only used it to check rebuild reason and that doesn't happen with folder-only instances anyway. It's a nice-to-fix, not in any way necessary for any purpose.

[Herkules97]

I may have completely forgotten to check this..

I was arsed to make a less revealing image, if you read this post before these edits
Here is what I mean by separate dbs, just so there is no confusion..
Each db runs one device in NTFS monitor OR monitors folders without NTFS indexing so unless you re-scan it will only index whenever the folder-only db is on.
https://imgur.com/a/1UdXA8H

And because I thought it may be necessary to show what I actually mean by blank, here is a comparison.
Both only monitors folders, the left one has folder exclusions while the right does not. For the other two, they don't have folder exclusions but one stat page works and one is blank just like these two.
I don't think it's the devices they touch, at least that are active, as they touch the same devices. The left working stat page one touches more active devices.
https://imgur.com/a/ZdYH7zF

Also 3 out of the 4 have extra properties indexed, like date changed and date indexed.
I'd think that's already included in the db but hidden, anyway 2 out of those 3 have blank pages.
So not sure it's extra properties either. 2 of them have the same amount of properties indexed with one having a blank stat page.
Not sure what difference I have that has caused this..

One thing I can think of is that it would be fixed with a system restart which I won't do because this system or/and hardware is broken and automatic repair thing causes issues and I don't know how I get past it so I have no guarantee I can restart and get back in again so I haven't.
It's possible this is related.
I don't know as I don't remember checking these stat pages before the system started with the automatic repair thing on system start, don't know if they were ever filled.
I did get components for a whole new computer which I will eventually build so I can use this old one for testing old components without risking a working computer..
So if this is a new issue and you don't know how to fix it, maybe what I need is just a fresh Windows which I will be doing because of the starting issue that I don't know how I caused..Maybe it's just the SSD, the same model SSD I used for a previous Windows install died after 3 months..This one has lasted 2 years I think.
But just like how long it took to reply, it will probably take 15-30 days to reply after I have set that computer up because of preparations I haven't finalised.

[void]

2 of those have a stat page as you'd expect, but 2 do not. Those 2's page are completely blank.

The statistics text might be too large.
There's a text limit of 524288 characters. (I'll up this limit in 1384a+)

The database might not be loaded yet.
If the database hasn't loaded the statistics page will appear blank.

Please try performing a search to make sure your database has loaded.
Close and reopen your statistics page.

If you hover over the statistics window do you see a text cursor?
-This might help indicate an issue with creating the edit box.



edit: this has to be an issue with creating the edit box.
The scroll bars are missing.

Is the text shown if you resize the window?

[Herkules97]

2 of those have a stat page as you'd expect, but 2 do not. Those 2's page are completely blank.

The statistics text might be too large.
There's a text limit of 524288 characters. (I'll up this limit in 1384a+)

One db is only 62,000 characters and that has a bunch of folders monitored, not sure how many more characters I could really get out of one db..

The database might not be loaded yet.
If the database hasn't loaded the statistics page will appear blank.
Please try performing a search to make sure your database has loaded.
Close and reopen your statistics page.

The database is definitely loaded, I use it to make archives of files across devices from time to time.
Index journal and main db runs fine.

If you hover over the statistics window do you see a text cursor?
-This might help indicate an issue with creating the edit box.

If you mean the desktop cursor, it is there yes. Just a blank page.
Just to test I just now ctrl+a and ctrl+c and nothing came of it.

edit: this has to be an issue with creating the edit box.
The scroll bars are missing.

Is the text shown if you resize the window?

Here is what it looks like full screen, it didn't act any different re-sizing it smaller and bigger so just made a screenshot of when it's biggest to show stuff in as much detail.

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[void]

Thanks for the screenshot.

The edit window is created, it's a rendering issue.

Too many GDI objects maybe?

In the Task Manager (Ctrl + Shift + ESC)
Click the Details tab.
Show the GDI Objects column (View -> Select columns)
How many GDI Objects is Everything using?
Are there any processes with over 1000?

The cap is around 10000 per process (and there's a global limit of 65536).
Once you hit the cap you will start seeing artifacts like in your screenshot.

[Herkules97]

Thanks for the screenshot.

The edit window is created, it's a rendering issue.

Too many GDI objects maybe?

In the Task Manager (Ctrl + Shift + ESC)
Click the Details tab.
Show the GDI Objects column (View -> Select columns)
How many GDI Objects is Everything using?
Are there any processes with over 1000?

The cap is around 10000 per process (and there's a global limit of 65536).
Once you hit the cap you will start seeing artifacts like in your screenshot.

No EBV process goes above 500, VGS itself is 72-82. That's the db in the screenshot.

[void]

Thanks for the GDI object information.
Nothing sounds out of the ordinary here..

Is it just the stat page causing the trouble?
Does Help -> Search Syntax work correctly?

Both the stat page and search syntax use the same "help" code.

[void]

Does the issue persist with Everything 1.5.0.1384a?

1384a increases the maximum edit control text length to 2GB.
The edit control is now sized before being shown.

[Herkules97]

Does the issue persist with Everything 1.5.0.1384a?

1384a increases the maximum edit control text length to 2GB.
The edit control is now sized before being shown.

Finally moved to the new computer and I have almost all EBV dbs running again.
I was going to ask but was arsed to check..It wasn't my old computer I don't think, 1382a is still broken on this one.
However, I already moved one of the dbs to 1386a as I want to streamline the process. All versions shall be the same at least for the time being.
And yes, it works in 1386a fine for that one.
But I have 3 other dbs to check and I think only one of the other ones runs right now and the other two are yet to be 1386'd.
Presumably they will work.
Sorry for no reply, I have been doing a lot of back and forth with the new PC and old one.

It is really nice to not have a slideshow when moving around on the desktop! Notepad++ and foobar2000 caused lag and Windows itself caused lag after a few days of usage and because of automatic repair boot I had ran it since 2024-09-21 09:58 up to 2024-12-08 05:14.
Hopefully that doesn't happen but as I modify Windows or just use programs maybe it will start again. Double RAM and near double RAM speed maybe helps prevent it, Idk.

Length of "Internet Download Manager", one of the broken I can see now is 134,255 symbols.
Length of "Video game saves", the other broken, is 123,772.

There's a text limit of 524288 characters

Inaccurate?
Or does Notepad++ not tell me all the symbols?
Some symbols worth more than one "character" count?
Length of one that was never broken is 98,221. Granted I think I added some folders to it..But I did the same for both of the other dbs too.
So maybe they were all 5000-15000 symbols shorter on the old computer.

I could load the old dbs into 1386a without adding new folders to them, but I am lazy and it seems unnecessary.

[void]

Thank you for your reply Herkules97,

There's a text limit of 524288 characters

Inaccurate?

It varies for each OS.

There might also be a single line length limit.
Was there a really long line for any of the stats?

Some symbols worth more than one "character" count?

Yes, the character size can differ.
For example:

A

will use 2 bytes. Emojis will use 4 bytes.
The limit appears to be 1MB, each character will use 2-4 bytes.

[Herkules97]

Thank you for your reply Herkules97,

Inaccurate?

It varies for each OS.

There might also be a single line length limit.
Was there a really long line for any of the stats?

Nop, on Notepad++ there isn't even a bar at the bottom for any of the three.

Some symbols worth more than one "character" count?

Yes, the character size can differ.
For example:

A

will use 2 bytes. Emojis will use 4 bytes.
The limit appears to be 1MB, each character will use 2-4 bytes.

Then that's probably it, if byte = character count.
At worst 537,020 characters, but if some cost even more..Would explain why the 120K one is also broken.
Or was, after moving to 1386a.
Is there a deficit to increasing the length beyond 2GB?

[void]

Is there a deficit to increasing the length beyond 2GB?

No.
You might see a deficit if your stats is actually 2gb of text, but not for 100KB of text..

[Herkules97]

Is there a deficit to increasing the length beyond 2GB?

No.
You might see a deficit if your stats is actually 2gb of text, but not for 100KB of text..

I realised it wasn't 2mil characters over 500K..2GB looks to be at least 10 million.
Not sure EBV could even load that looking at the slight delay in loading just 123K. Maybe it would just take some minute.
Curious, is there a reason why the limit existed so low to begin with?
Could there be other size limits in EBV that could be increased as simply..
I know that the index journal limit is near 4GB or is 4GB..I don't have GiB conversion in my head.
That's the only one I know that could do with an increase as when I am extracting files from AJC Active Backup the further down it goes in one archive, the more entries there are. I'm a sucker for saving it all.
But I presume one should not update the software based on the wishes of one individual..I don't know, I don't program anything.

[void]

Everything uses the stock Windows edit control.
A lot of the functionality and limits comes from windows 3.1..

I should really be using a rich edit with formatting.

Could there be other size limits in EBV that could be increased as simply..

I am sure there's a few.
I'll increase them if users bring up an issue.