disable difference between _ and -

[Laura]

Hi

I created these folders to test:

Lanegan_Mark
Lanegan-Mark
LaneganMark

If I do this search

Lanegan_Mark

I only see one folder while I would like to see all 3

same thing if I search

Lanegan-Mark

Basically it seems that Everything finds differences between "_" and "-" and " " (space)

and I would like to disable this function, is it possible?

[tuska]

Hi,

try the similarity search

soundex:Lanegan_Mark

or

soundex:Lanegan-Mark

.

soundex: (search modifier), soundex (Wikipedia)

[Laura]

Thanks.

it works but I want it to always activate, with all the words of course

[tuska]

Here I have a solution without the search word(s), i.e. these must be entered in the search box.
I am not aware of any other solution.
 

2024-08-25_Soundex - similarity search - disable difference between _ and -.png (73.98 KiB) Viewed 9570 times

 
The following query can also be set in the filter in the ‘Search:’ field if only folders are being searched for:

soundex:folder:search:

[Laura]

Thanks

I followed the procedure, only changing the name of the search in Similarity search without the long part you put, but in the end it doesn't give me results,
when I set it as a filter, the folder that contains the folders I created, appears empty. If I set it as a filter again Everything, the folders appear
I don't understand where I'm going wrong.

[tuska]

A picture of the filter definition might help.

Did you use the same words (folder names) in the search query?

[tuska]

I have now searched in three paths using the ‘Similarity search - soundex:’ filter.

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Search: Lanegan_Mark
Finds:  Lanegan-Mark, Lanegan_Mark, LaneganMark

Search: LaneganMark
Finds:	LaneganMark	 ???

Search: Lanegan-Mark
Finds:  Lanegan-Mark, Lanegan_Mark, LaneganMark

It is not clear to me why the search term ‘LaneganMark’ does NOT find the other folders.
However, it is probably due to Soundex, because all folders are found with the similarity search Levenshtein distance. *)
*) Addon in Total Commander

I'm afraid I can't offer any further support for this topic as I am not familiar with Soundex.

[Laura]

Thank you, you were very kind

Honestly it seems strange to me that there is no function that does what I would like.
The files found on the Internet are almost all separated by _ or - and there is no sense that they are not treated the same way.

I hope someone can help me, thanks again

[void]

Please consider the following:

Enable Ignore Punctuation and Ignore punctuation in filename and search:

• In Everything, from the Search menu, Check Ignore Punctuation.
• From the Tools menu, click Options.
• Click the Advanced tab on the left.
• To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
  punc
• Select: ignore_punctuation_type
• Set the value to: Filename and search
• Click OK.

-or-

Search for:

Lanegan Mark

-or-

Paste your search without punctuation: Ctrl + Shift + V

[Laura]

hello void, thanks for the reply.

Unfortunately it doesn't work. When I reopen the program after the changes, the Ignore punctuation option is not checked (even though it was popped up when I closed the program). If I check it I get the same result as before

[void]

Please make sure Everything is installed correctly and running as a standard user:

• In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
• Click the General tab on the left.
• Check Store settings and data in %APPDATA%\Everything.
• Uncheck Run as administrator.
• Check Everything Service. (Please make sure this is tick-checked and not square-checked)
• Click OK.
• Exit Everything (right click the Everything tray icon and click Exit).
• Restart Everything.

[Laura]

it doesn't work
In General I had the fourth, fifth and sixth items checked. Now I did as you told me and checked the first, fourth and fifth.
I closed the program, checked that the service was closed, I reopened and the Ignore puntuation item is not checked and the search gives the same results as before. If you want I can send you the screenshots of the settings

[void]

Please check your home search under Tools -> Options -> Home -> Ignore Punctuation.
-Please try setting this to (use last value)

[Laura]

was disabled. I enabled it but now it's a mess.
I opened the folder that contains the Lanegan folders (named New Folder) but Everything shows me all the folders I have on my entire PC that are called "New Folder"

And if I search it doesn't give me results

[tuska]

2Laura
Please note the author's advice regarding the search term (Lanegan Mark).
 

2024-08-27_ignore_punctuation_type___Search for___Lanegan Mark.png (54.15 KiB) Viewed 9369 times

 

2024-08-27_ignore_punctuation_type___Filename and search.png (51.14 KiB) Viewed 9369 times

[Laura]

I don't think I understood but from now on the search will be on the words

Pippo_Topolino

I hope that goes well

[tuska]

As I understand it (and based on the author's advice), you should enter the following for the folders
‘Pippo_Topolino’, “PippoTopolino”, “PippoTopolino-”, “Pippo-Topolino” as the search term: Pippo Topolino,
so that the punctuation: ‘_’, ‘-’ can be ignored and all folders are listed.

Select the folder name ‘Pippo_Topolino’, Ctrl+C, then Ctrl+Shift+V in Everything 1.5a will do the same (all folders are listed).

[Laura]

sorry but I don't understand
The words I put are, obviously, an example and I would like it to be always applied. I would like the search not to consider the difference between - _ and the space. Since almost all the files you download from the internet have these symbols or spaces inside the file names.

I think I followed what Void told me, I'm waiting for him to tell me where I'm wrong because I don't understand English well and I don't understand what you're advising me. If you tell me step by step what to do, I'll do it. But I would like it to be clear that the words I used for the search are just an example

[tuska]

Hi,

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Search term: Pippo Topolino
Setting:     ignore_punctuation_type -> Filename and search

I understand ‘Ignore Punctuation’ as follows:
- Search for: Pippo AND (Operator: Space) Topolino (finds: PippoTopolino, PippoTopolino-) ...
- and ignore the punctuation automatically (also finds: Pippo_Topolino, Pippo-Topolino)

The search term as specified is therefore required to find all folders.

> I would like the search not to consider the difference between - _ and the space.
If you insert your search term with Ctrl+Shift+V in Everything 1.5a, then your conditions are fulfilled in my opinion.

Have you ever tested this at all?

[Laura]

Thanks, I know the trick for have a solution

I only asked if this function could be included in the settings because I find it useful.. but thanks

Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

[therube]

tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

That's described above:

From the Tools menu, click Options.
Click the Advanced tab on the left.
To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
punc
Select: ignore_punctuation_type
Set the value to: Filename and search
Click OK.

Note that with that change, you would not be able to search for (say) "Lanegan-Mark" explicitly (with the -, & without also getting Lanegan_Mark or 'Lanegan Mark' results).

[tuska]

I only asked if this function could be included in the settings because I find it useful.. but thanks
Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

I think you can even define your wish yourself in the settings:
Everything Options - 1.5.0.1383a (x64) > Keyboard > Show commands containing: paste
Edit | Paste
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation
...

[tuska]

From the Tools menu, click Options.
Click the Advanced tab on the left.
To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
punc
Select: ignore_punctuation_type
Set the value to: Filename and search
Click OK.

Note that with that change, you would not be able to search for (say) "Lanegan-Mark" explicitly
(with the -, & without also getting Lanegan_Mark or 'Lanegan Mark' results).

No.
If you search for Lanegan-Mark, only Lanegan-Mark will be displayed.

[Laura]

I only asked if this function could be included in the settings because I find it useful.. but thanks
Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

I think you can even define your wish yourself in the settings:
Everything Options - 1.5.0.1383a (x64) > Keyboard > Show commands containing: paste
Edit | Paste
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation
...

I tried but it doesn't work, maybe I'm wrong

[void]

Is main Search menu -> Ignore punctuation checked?
Are any other search options checked under the main Search menu?
-Please make sure regex is unchecked under the main Search menu.
-Please make sure the Everything filter is active under the main Search menu.

Please make sure Ignore punctuation in filename and search is enabled:

• In Everything 1.5, from the Tools menu, click Options.
• Click the Advanced tab on the left.
• To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
  punc
• Select: ignore_punctuation_type
• Set the value to: Filename and Search
• Click OK.

What search did you try?
What results are shown?

[Laura]

1 - Yes
2 - No, only Ignore punctuation and Everything
3 - regex is unchecked


Is strange, now I don't see the punc voice.
I have post here some screeschot

https://postimg.cc/gallery/Tnm8wkX

[void]

ignore_punctuation_type was only recently added.

Please try upgrading to the latest Everything 1.5 alpha.

[tuska]

Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

I only asked if this function could be included in the settings because I find it useful.. but thanks
Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

I think you can even define your wish yourself in the settings:
Everything Options - 1.5.0.1383a (x64) > Keyboard > Show commands containing: paste
Edit | Paste
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation
...

I tried but it doesn't work, maybe I'm wrong

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Tested with Everything 1.5.0.1383a (x64)	BEFORE				AFTER				No.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edit | Paste					Ctrl+V (Result list)		Ctrl+Shift+V (Result list)	(1)
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation		Ctrl+Shift+V (Search Edit)	Ctrl+V (Search Edit)		(2)

Examples:
Copy the folder name ‘Lanegan-Mark’ (without inverted commas) to the clipboard.

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Ctrl + Shift + V ................ Lanegan-Mark ... is inserted in the search box of e.g. EV 1.5.0.1383a (x64)   (1)
Ctrl + V ........................ Lanegan Mark ... is inserted in the search box of e.g. EV 1.5.0.1383a (x64)   (2)

[Laura]

ignore_punctuation_type was only recently added.

Please try upgrading to the latest Everything 1.5 alpha.

True, I forgot that I had downloaded the latest version but then I removed it because it seemed to be going less well (slower results to appear but maybe it was just a feeling)

I updated and I went back to the previous situation, zero results

[Laura]

Maybe it would be enough to tell Everything to interpret the "Paste" as if it were a Ctrl+Shift+V command

I think you can even define your wish yourself in the settings:
Everything Options - 1.5.0.1383a (x64) > Keyboard > Show commands containing: paste
Edit | Paste
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation
...

I tried but it doesn't work, maybe I'm wrong

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Tested with Everything 1.5.0.1383a (x64)	BEFORE				AFTER				No.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edit | Paste					Ctrl+V (Result list)		Ctrl+Shift+V (Result list)	(1)
Search Edit | Paste Without Punctuation		Ctrl+Shift+V (Search Edit)	Ctrl+V (Search Edit)		(2)

Examples:
Copy the folder name ‘Lanegan-Mark’ (without inverted commas) to the clipboard.

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Ctrl + Shift + V ................ Lanegan-Mark ... is inserted in the search box of e.g. EV 1.5.0.1383a (x64)   (1)
Ctrl + V ........................ Lanegan Mark ... is inserted in the search box of e.g. EV 1.5.0.1383a (x64)   (2)

BRAVA! It works perfectly
Thanks for the help, now I will have to try to get used to using the keyboard but I'm already happy.
I hope that void can solve the problem at the base and that it also works by right-clicking and pasting but I'm already happy like this

You were very kind


Edit:

unfortunately I see that if it gives me only one result I'll paste

MarkLanegan

[tuska]

Thanks for the help, now I will have to try to get used to using the keyboard but I'm already happy.
I hope that void can solve the problem at the base and that it also works by right-clicking and pasting but I'm already happy like this

The author probably knew that this question would come from you and has already taken precautions:
Right-click in the search bar of Everything 1.5a and then click on the menu item ‘Paste Without Punctuation’.

Edit:
unfortunately I see that if it gives me only one result I'll paste
MarkLanegan

That is the expected result for me.
(Otherwise, in my opinion, a similarity search is required).
Please see also my explanation here.

Please give a detailed description of this case.

1. Which folder name was copied to the clipboard?
2. Which shortcut was used to paste the name into the Everything search box?
3. What is the EXACT shortcut description under ‘Keyboard’?
4. Which Everything version is used? E.g. Everything 1.5.0.1383a (x64)
5. What result did you expect?
   I.e. which folders do you think would be considered to appear in the search result?

[Laura]

is always like you have tell me.

In the folder I have 5 folder, see here

https://postimg.cc/gallery/Tnm8wkX

and I want that are all showed when I serach "MarkLanegan"

[tuska]

In the folder I have 5 folder, see here
https://postimg.cc/gallery/Tnm8wkX
and I want that are all showed when I search "MarkLanegan"

As already mentioned above, this is NOT possible!
It is only possible with a similarity search, e.g. ‘Levenshtein distance’.

You can search for all folders to get all folders, just not for the folder ‘MarkLanegan’!
Please see also my explanation here.

However, you can find out for yourself which search query returns which search results by copying the folder names
one after the other and then pasting them into the Everything search box with Ctrl+V (your shortcut for "Paste Without Punctuation").

Folder names:
(Mark Lanegan)
Mark Lanegan
Mark_Lanegan
MarkLanegan
Mark-Lanegan

I don't think I can contribute any more to this topic.

[Laura]

thank you, you've been very kind

I hope void can solve this aspect too, maybe in one of the new versions

[tuska]

I hope void can solve this aspect too, maybe in one of the new versions

In such a case you can already exclude the similarity search ‘Levenshtein distance’,
because after another check and your last given new folder name: (Mark Lanegan) ... with round brackets
it turned out that (only) this folder name in brackets is NOT found by the similarity search
when a search is performed for the folder name: MarkLanegan

[Laura]

Thanks but your english is difficult for me, and Levenshtein distance for me is arabic

[tuska]

Thanks but your english is difficult for me, ...

DeepL Translate and/or Google Translate can help.
(I use 'DeepL Pro' and additionally for my doubtful cases 'Google Translate').

[Laura]

I use always google translate but thanks for the other site...bye

[Phlashman]

The following should find all the combinations you seek

regex:Lanegan[ \-_]?Mark

the regex [ \-_]? should match 0 or 1 of the characters in the square brackets. The \- matches the "-" character literally as it can also
be used to give a range of characters inside the brackets

[Laura]

The following should find all the combinations you seek

regex:Lanegan[ \-_]?Mark

the regex [ \-_]? should match 0 or 1 of the characters in the square brackets. The \- matches the "-" character literally as it can also
be used to give a range of characters inside the brackets

thanks but I don't understand what I have to do? If you tell me which options to activate I will do it. But, I repeat, the words I put are just an example, I would like this type of search to always happen and for all words

[tuska]

2Phlashman
Thank you for the RegEx code!

2Laura
In this case, your search query should look like this:
(Another query is shown on the second tab. ‘Enable Regex’ must also be carried out there).
 

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These entries in the search box of Everything also work (WITHOUT ‘Enable Regex’ being executed -> ‘REGEX’ not present in the status bar):

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regex:"Lanegan[ \-_]?Mark"

- OR -

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regex:"Mark[ \-_]?Lanegan"

- OR -

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regex:"Pippo[ \-_]?Topolino"

A bookmark with a shortcut that inserts the search text into the Everything search box is probably recommended.
This would make it possible to simply overwrite the search text for each new search query.

[Laura]

guys, you are very kind and I thought I asked something easy.

Activating REGEZ would be fine but I didn't understand how to set it as ctrl+V. I don't think those strange symbols can be inserted. Furthermore, the results work but it doesn't see me if the name and surname are reversed.
I'm not an expert but I hope that in the future (maybe with the help of AI) it will be possible to do searches that look for X consecutive letters, ignoring spaces and various symbols. And that, maybe I can do it with reversed letters too, so that Everything searches for both

marklanegan and laneganmark (or fractions of them) (maybe in the settings decide how many consecutive (and inverted) letters are searched for) ignoring all the symbols that can be found between one letter and another

But I'm already very happy that by doing ctrl+v now, with your help, the symbols are not pasted between the words and that's already important.

Thanks!

[phil2search]

Thank you, you were very kind

Honestly it seems strange to me that there is no function that does what I would like.
The files found on the Internet are almost all separated by _ or - and there is no sense that they are not treated the same way.

I hope someone can help me, thanks again

hello,

_ and - are not the same character and people may use them for different purposes (I do when I process many files).
There are naming conventions using _ (e.g. snake_case). Dashes are often used in dates (ISO 8601 convention).
So I don't see why they should be treated the same in general.
Perhaps, if you want them to be the same, you could choose one and rename them with a file renamer.

[Laura]

Thank you, you were very kind

Honestly it seems strange to me that there is no function that does what I would like.
The files found on the Internet are almost all separated by _ or - and there is no sense that they are not treated the same way.

I hope someone can help me, thanks again

hello,

_ and - are not the same character and people may use them for different purposes (I do when I process many files).
There are naming conventions using _ (e.g. snake_case). Dashes are often used in dates (ISO 8601 convention).
So I don't see why they should be treated the same in general.
Perhaps, if you want them to be the same, you could choose one and rename them with a file renamer.

but I don't want to force anyone I'm just saying that it would be nice to have the possibility-option of being able to choose.